10:00:00 <gregdek> #startmeeting Events, 15 March 201 10:00:00 <eucabot> Meeting started Thu Mar 15 17:00:56 2012 UTC. The chair is gregdek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:00:00 <eucabot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:01:00 <gregdek> #meetingname events 10:01:00 <eucabot> The meeting name has been set to 'events' 10:01:00 <gregdek> #topic Roll call 10:01:00 <gregdek> Who's around today? 10:01:00 * gregdek raises hand, feebly 10:01:00 * no_mind is round 10:01:00 <dak419> here 10:02:00 <gregdek> echoieucalyptus, khadges, hiya 10:02:00 <echoieucalyptus> hola 10:02:00 <khadges> hi gregdek 10:02:00 <gregdek> ok, looks like quorum. 10:03:00 <gregdek> Gonna run through events really quickly and touch only on critical stuff, since I want more time for open floor this week. 10:03:00 <gregdek> #topic Committed Events 10:03:00 * jeevan_ullas is here 10:03:00 * jeevan_ullas waves at no_mind :) 10:04:00 <obino> o/ 10:04:00 <gregdek> .proj 93 10:04:00 <eucabot> gregdek: Issue 93 (New): CloudCampRoc, Rochester NY, 3/24 - https://projects.eucalyptus.com/issues/93 10:04:00 <gregdek> #topic CloudCampRoc, Rochester NY, 3/24 10:04:00 <gregdek> dak419: on final approach. Any loose ends to tie up? 10:04:00 <dak419> lots of loose ends! 10:04:00 <dak419> :-) 10:05:00 <dak419> I'm going to devote a little time each day to working towards the event. 10:05:00 <gregdek> Any we can help with? :) 10:05:00 <dak419> well, here's the stuff I'm working on. Not sure. 10:05:00 <dak419> - food suppliers 10:05:00 <dak419> - shirt order (have help with this already) 10:06:00 <dak419> - ordering/buying supplies 10:06:00 <dak419> - pre-printing signage and some schedule board pieces. 10:06:00 <dak419> A/V support.. no streaming option yet. :-/ 10:07:00 <gregdek> Don't think we can help with any of those. We can cheer loudly for you though. :) 10:07:00 <dak419> thank for that! :-) 10:07:00 <gregdek> Sounds like a good event coming though. Looking forward to it. 10:07:00 <dak419> we're planning shirts and food for 130 10:07:00 <gregdek> A good captive audience. :) 10:07:00 <dak419> that's a good crowd 10:08:00 <gregdek> ok. any Qs for dak419? 10:08:00 <dak419> I'm so looking forward to the after-party at the local pub. (cause that means we're done!) 10:09:00 <gregdek> Always the best part! 10:09:00 <jeevan_ullas> after event parties ftw 10:09:00 <gregdek> OK. Moving on. 10:09:00 <gregdek> dfederlein-afk: you around? 10:09:00 * obino thinking that question seems a bit of a paradox .... 10:10:00 <lwade> hey 10:10:00 <gregdek> Yes, but he could be lurking... lol 10:10:00 <lwade> pingety ping 10:10:00 <jeevan_ullas> lol 10:10:00 <gregdek> lwade: pongety pong 10:10:00 <lwade> dfederlein was last seen going for a sarnie 10:10:00 <lwade> I think 10:10:00 <gregdek> A "sarnie"? 10:11:00 <gregdek> I am unfamiliar with this thing. 10:11:00 <gholms> Heh 10:11:00 <lwade> heh 10:11:00 <lwade> Sandwich :) 10:11:00 <lwade> btw, we invented those ;) 10:11:00 <gregdek> Yes. Your Earl of Sandwich is worshipped here as a god we call "Jersey Mike". 10:11:00 <gholms> Hah! 10:11:00 * lwade googles 10:12:00 <gregdek> We spend many hours in line at his temples, waiting to pay tribute. 10:12:00 <gregdek> Anyway. 10:12:00 <lwade> heresy 10:12:00 <lwade> rebels 10:12:00 * lwade just joins meeting to derail it entirely 10:12:00 <lwade> I shall be quiet now 10:12:00 <gregdek> OK, just wanted to ping dfederlein-afk about his MinneBar event. 10:12:00 <gregdek> Will ping if he shows later. 10:12:00 <gregdek> Are there any other *urgent* events that someone would like to discuss? 10:13:00 <gregdek> Because if not, I'd like to move on to some more general discussions about eventness. 10:13:00 <jeevan_ullas> i am good 10:13:00 <lwade> nothing here :) 10:13:00 <gholms> Event...ness? 10:14:00 <gregdek> Eventification, if you will. 10:14:00 * gholms eventalized PyCon last week 10:14:00 <lwade> How to turn something which isn't into an event, into an event? 10:14:00 <lwade> s/into/an 10:14:00 <gregdek> No, I'm being silly. 10:15:00 <lwade> oh goodness, me gives up 10:15:00 <gregdek> I want to talk about what we do at events, and other topics. 10:15:00 <lwade> cool 10:15:00 <gregdek> So on that note, I'll jump right in. 10:15:00 <lwade> I know for sure we usually go straight for the free drink and nibbles 10:15:00 <gregdek> #topic Open Floor 10:16:00 <jeevan_ullas> lwade, +1 10:16:00 <gregdek> So obino, I know we didn't get a chance to talk yesterday, so I figured we'd take this time. :) 10:17:00 <gregdek> The topic we were going to discuss was An Event Checklist. All the things we could/should be doing at various kinds of events. 10:17:00 <gregdek> For instance: 10:17:00 <gregdek> * If we have a table at an event, what does that mean? 10:17:00 <gregdek> gholms: how was your experience at pycon? 10:18:00 <gholms> We had too few people to man a table and all of the materials we had were designed for Gartner, not a tech conference. 10:18:00 <gholms> The talks were rather good, but we were glued to the table for much of the time. 10:19:00 <gregdek> Bing. :) 10:19:00 <gregdek> And we are more likely, in this group, to be sending people to tech conferences than other types. 10:19:00 <gregdek> Which implies a few questions: 10:19:00 <gregdek> * What collateral do we need for dev events, and how do we create it? 10:20:00 <gregdek> * What activities happen at the table? 10:20:00 <gregdek> * How many people do we send to a table event? 10:20:00 <gregdek> * Do we opt to leave the table unattended from time to time if we can't fully staff an event? 10:21:00 <gregdek> So lemme ask some of these one at a time. 10:22:00 <gregdek> #topic Collateral for events 10:22:00 <gregdek> What do we need for these that's different from what we had at pycon? 10:23:00 <gholms> For pycon, at least, it would have been useful to have something that said how eucalyptus was relevant to the python community. 10:23:00 <gholms> We also lacked stickers. 10:24:00 <gregdek> gholms: does that imply that we need unique collateral for each event? 10:24:00 <gholms> Perhaps. 10:24:00 * gregdek hrms. 10:24:00 <gregdek> High bar there, maybe. 10:24:00 <gholms> More generally, materials that are relevant to developers might be useful. 10:24:00 <gregdek> Yes, that's maybe more feasible. 10:25:00 <gregdek> We should probably start simple, with a dev-focused slick, or even just a pdf we can print as needed. 10:26:00 <gregdek> Re: stickers, that's something we should have had. Did we bring some and they weren't enough? 10:26:00 <gholms> I think $organizer simply forgot them. 10:26:00 <gregdek> Ah. 10:26:00 <gregdek> Checklist might be helpful for that. 10:27:00 <gholms> Indeed. 10:27:00 <gregdek> But not always, things happen. :) 10:27:00 <gregdek> lwade: lurking? 10:27:00 <lwade> yup 10:27:00 <lwade> sorry 10:27:00 <lwade> was distracted 10:27:00 <gregdek> No worries. 10:27:00 <lwade> Stickers always go down well 10:27:00 <gregdek> Is a dev-focused marketing handout for events something we could work on in the docs team? 10:27:00 <lwade> things like Pens and notepads too 10:27:00 <lwade> I think so 10:28:00 <lwade> what kind of content are you thinking of ? 10:28:00 <gregdek> Good question. 10:28:00 <gholms> What we have now essentially focuses on "why you need a cloud." 10:28:00 <gregdek> Could be a bunch of different things. 10:28:00 <gregdek> At many events, I think we'll be able to dispense with "why cloud" kind of stuff. 10:29:00 <gregdek> Some things we could be talking about: 10:29:00 <gregdek> * How to get the latest code 10:29:00 <gholms> #idea A dev-focused handout for events 10:29:00 <gregdek> * A paragraph about various nteresting projects 10:30:00 * gregdek is trying to think about what devs are most likely to be attracted by... 10:30:00 <lwade> contribution hubs 10:30:00 <lwade> i.e. project pages etc. 10:30:00 <lwade> oh 10:30:00 <lwade> hold on, you already said that 10:30:00 <gregdek> I did, kinda 10:31:00 <obino> demo? working code? examples? technical walkthrough euca internals architecture? 10:31:00 <gregdek> obino: demo, definitely, should be doing that at the booth 10:31:00 <lwade> maybe some of our EucaSchool stuff 10:31:00 <gregdek> * technical architecture diagram 10:31:00 <gregdek> * eucaschool stuff 10:32:00 <lwade> PDL's 10:32:00 <lwade> ummm 10:32:00 <gregdek> PDLs? 10:32:00 <obino> and moo-card of small biz card about dev-focued stuff we have 10:32:00 <lwade> that basic stuff; PDL, IRC channel etc. 10:32:00 <obino> ie code, projects, forum, IRC whatever 10:32:00 <lwade> oh sorry, my habit of terminology 10:32:00 <lwade> mailing list 10:32:00 <lwade> PDL = public distribution list 10:32:00 <gregdek> Ah, ok. 10:33:00 <gregdek> obino's right about moo cards. clever, cheap, fit nicely in the pocket. 10:33:00 <obino> and you can get the ones you care :) 10:33:00 <gregdek> Heh. 10:33:00 <gregdek> Yes. 10:34:00 <lwade> moo cards? 10:34:00 <lwade> are they like custom printed ones? 10:34:00 * lwade googles 10:34:00 <obino> yeah, like small biz cards if you will 10:34:00 <obino> last ones we put a QR code on them for the URL (say projects) 10:35:00 <lwade> oh cool 10:35:00 <gholms> Fancy 10:35:00 <gregdek> OK, so some ideas falling out here. 10:36:00 <gregdek> obino: do we still have the designs for the original moo cards you printed? 10:36:00 <obino> yes we do 10:37:00 <obino> we'll need to change it thought, it has the old logo 10:37:00 <gregdek> ok. what format is it in? 10:38:00 <obino> in the moo-card web site: ian helped a lot! 10:38:00 <gregdek> Any chance we can volunteer ian to help us with the new cards? :) 10:38:00 <lwade> I would love some of that cloud template we saw at all-hands as the watermark 10:38:00 * lwade is thinking waaaay ahead here 10:39:00 <obino> gregdek: I know that denise and eric offered help too (FYI) 10:39:00 <obino> ian may be able to help past the web site crazyness though 10:39:00 <obino> but we can ask :) 10:40:00 <gregdek> obino: can we action you to figure out moo cards / enlist help as needed? 10:40:00 <obino> sure 10:40:00 <gregdek> #action obino to lead update of moo cards with new designs/info 10:40:00 <Denise_> I can take the action to get the moo cards created, with help on content 10:40:00 <gregdek> Awesome. 10:41:00 <gregdek> #action obino to provide Denise_ with all that's needed to produce moo cards :) 10:41:00 <gregdek> Thanks Denise_ :) 10:41:00 <gholms> Hi, Denise_. :) 10:41:00 <gregdek> So back to dev-focused slicks: 10:41:00 <Denise_> I can also take the action to get these created with help on content 10:41:00 <gregdek> I'm thinking we should work through that content in the docs project and come back. lwade: make sense? 10:42:00 <lwade> yup, sounds like a good plan 10:42:00 <gregdek> Denise_: I think we may need to work thru content questions first, and then yes, we can bring back to you. 10:42:00 <gregdek> Since we have no design sensibilities at all, lol 10:42:00 <gregdek> #action gregdek will file ticket in docs for dev-based slick content 10:43:00 <gregdek> OK -- can we talk demo for a bit? 10:44:00 <gregdek> What demos should we be showing at these events? 10:44:00 <gregdek> Some options: 10:44:00 <gregdek> * Actually installing a cloud in front of them 10:44:00 <gregdek> * Showing them a canned video a la Paul Weiss's cool demo at all hands 10:45:00 <gregdek> * Doing something cool on ECC (requires good connectivity on the floor) 10:45:00 <dfederlein> hello 10:45:00 <dfederlein> sorry I missed the meeting 10:45:00 <gregdek> Hey dfederlein -- 'sok, still going, will ask details about MinneBar offline 10:45:00 <dfederlein> ok 10:45:00 <gholms> dfederlein: Got any demo ideas for dev conferences? 10:46:00 <dfederlein> not offhand, but I assume we already take hardware and have a cloud set up? 10:46:00 <dfederlein> could we do a demo of moving an instance from euca to aws and back? 10:46:00 <gregdek> dfederlein: that's what pweiss's demo did, iirc 10:46:00 <gregdek> But it was canned, not live 10:46:00 <obino> install is boring 10:46:00 <dfederlein> ok then I'm not sure I have anything to add... 10:46:00 <obino> we should have it as a backup 10:46:00 <gregdek> obino: I am starting to lean to your way of thinking. 10:47:00 <lwade> I think cloudbursting like that isn't suited to live 10:47:00 <obino> I propose to have a cloud running and use our recipes+ starter images 10:47:00 <gregdek> obino: a local cloud? 10:47:00 <obino> say stand up a planet in less than 30 seconds 10:47:00 <obino> yes 10:47:00 <lwade> something IAM might be cool 10:47:00 <obino> cannot rely on external network 10:47:00 <gregdek> Yep, that's the key, I think. 10:47:00 <gregdek> #idea Euca demo at conf shouldn't rely on external network 10:48:00 <gregdek> Which makes me lean towards actual demo + canned demo. 10:48:00 <obino> we can have the faststart pamplet/moo-card for whom wants to deploy euca 10:48:00 <obino> 2 laptops could be enough to have a working demo 10:48:00 <gregdek> Which we can ship around. I have two set aside now for that purpose. 10:48:00 <obino> and we already have recipes: stand up a web site, redmine, mailman etc ... 10:49:00 <obino> HA demo would be cool too 10:49:00 <obino> and easy to do (just unplug a machine :)) 10:50:00 <gholms> True :) 10:50:00 <gregdek> obino: does that work with 2 laptops? 10:50:00 <obino> need 3 10:50:00 * gregdek nods 10:50:00 <gregdek> I presume you're basically unplugging an NC? 10:50:00 <obino> nope one front end 10:50:00 <obino> NC are not HA 10:50:00 <gholms> The NC is the one thing you *can't* unplug. :) 10:50:00 <dfederlein> 2 front ends, 1 NC 10:50:00 <gregdek> OK :) 10:51:00 <dfederlein> unplug front end, bask in applause. 10:51:00 <dfederlein> is the plan, I assume? 10:51:00 <gregdek> Nice :) 10:51:00 <gregdek> So we need a 3rd laptop in our demo pool. 10:51:00 <gregdek> I also have a switch. 10:51:00 <obino> dfederlein: and you can play guitar while the failover occurs :) 10:51:00 <lwade> lol 10:52:00 <dfederlein> I will totally provide the Bill & Ted styule trills. 10:52:00 <gregdek> #action gregdek to request 3rd laptop from IT to demo HA at events 10:52:00 <gholms> dfederlein: Before or after they learn to play? 10:52:00 <gholms> It's important. 10:52:00 <gregdek> Do we also want a canned demo of moving stuff in and out of AWS? 10:52:00 <dfederlein> after, of course. 10:52:00 <gregdek> That has to be canned. 10:53:00 <obino> paul or timg may have something 10:53:00 <gregdek> #action gregdek will ask pweiss about availability of his spiffy canned aws demo 10:54:00 <gregdek> So then we have to ask: 10:54:00 <gregdek> How do we get these things from show to show? :) 10:54:00 <gregdek> Denise_: can we put together an event box? 10:54:00 <Denise_> I am working on one right now, actually 10:55:00 <gregdek> W00t! 10:55:00 <Denise_> I have a list of items and will be putting together event kits to send to each show 10:56:00 <gregdek> Maybe we should aim for a first community event to try to have all these pieces for. 10:56:00 <dfederlein> Denise_: I'll ping you offline about the possibility of an MN one I can use here. 10:56:00 <Denise_> OK 10:56:00 <dfederlein> since, let's face it, no one wants to come to Minnesota. ;) 10:56:00 <gregdek> dfederlein: will MinneBar have vendor space? 10:57:00 <dfederlein> we should chat about that 10:57:00 <dfederlein> because there are developments 10:57:00 <dfederlein> basically, yes it may, but general admission just closed last night before I could snag a ticket. So in order to go, we would need to pay to be a sponsor. 10:58:00 <dfederlein> which, I think, would get us a vendor space (or at least a poster on the wall) 10:58:00 <dfederlein> however we may be approaching a point of no return as I found out about this a little late. I've been searching for other events in the area also. 10:58:00 <Denise_> Do you know the costs? We are pretty maxed out on budget/events for Q2 10:59:00 <dfederlein> it would be more than we would want to pay, imo. Sponsorship is 4-5 figures depending on package. 10:59:00 <dfederlein> but we can plan for the next one, which is either 6 months or a year out. 10:59:00 <gregdek> Yeah, nope. :) 10:59:00 <gregdek> Yes, next time. 10:59:00 <dfederlein> BUT 11:00:00 <dfederlein> what I do know, 11:00:00 <dfederlein> because I am a part of it... 11:00:00 <gregdek> Does enstratus have a booth? Just go hang out with them. ;) 11:00:00 <dfederlein> is that the last thursday in every month there is a meeting of Linux Admin group at Symantec's place. It is usually only 10-15 people. 11:00:00 <dfederlein> LOL 11:00:00 <dfederlein> I don't think so 11:00:00 <gregdek> OK, we're coming up on the hour. Good discussion with some actions falling out. 11:00:00 <dfederlein> so I could swing some presentation to those guys 11:01:00 <gregdek> Anyone else have anything urgent? 11:01:00 <dfederlein> gregdek: you want me to close the minnebar ticket? 11:01:00 <gregdek> dfederlein: sounds like yes. Close it "rejected" pls. 11:01:00 <dfederlein> ok 11:02:00 <dfederlein> I'll open a new one about the admin group 11:02:00 <gregdek> Denise_: when will you be able to fill us in on the event kit stuff? 11:02:00 <Denise_> I'll have one ready by next week's meeting 11:03:00 <gregdek> Wow. Great. Looking to hear more about it. Maybe we can target a community event for its first appearance soon. 11:03:00 <gregdek> Will touch base offline about getting laptops into that rotation. 11:03:00 <Denise_> sounds good 11:03:00 <gregdek> Anyone with anything else urgent? 11:03:00 * gregdek waits st a bit... 11:03:00 <gregdek> just a bit... 11:03:00 <gholms> I have nothing else. Thanks for all your work, people. 11:04:00 <gregdek> gholms, obino: thanks for representing at pycon. Hopefully next year will be Moar Awesome. 11:04:00 <gregdek> #endmeeting