08:27:00 <lwade> #startmeeting MediaWiki - Deployment Meeting
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08:27:00 <lwade> #chair gregdek dfederlein hspencer
08:27:00 <eucabot> Current chairs: dfederlein gregdek hspencer lwade
08:27:00 <dfederlein> even on a single instance we want some front end caching.
08:27:00 <dfederlein> #action design doc for MediaWiki and scaling procedures
08:28:00 <lwade> #info We need a design document and some planning around the platform
08:28:00 <lwade> great
08:28:00 <dfederlein> #undo
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08:28:00 <dfederlein> err
08:28:00 <lwade> no that's fine
08:28:00 <dfederlein> did that undo me or you?
08:28:00 <lwade> oh ok :S
08:28:00 <lwade> no idea
08:28:00 <lwade> lol
08:28:00 <dfederlein> crap
08:28:00 <dfederlein> sorry
08:28:00 <lwade> s'ok, we can spam it into the logs :D
08:28:00 <dfederlein> irc://irc.freenode.net/#info We need a design document and some planning around the platform
08:28:00 <dfederlein> err
08:28:00 <dfederlein> copy paste sucks in colloquy
08:28:00 <lwade> #action dfederlein and lwade to create a design document
08:28:00 <dfederlein> I'll stop now
08:28:00 <dfederlein> there we go
08:29:00 <lwade> gregdek, were you chasing a registration for hostname or something?
08:29:00 <gregdek> FYI, Eutester in here in 30m.
08:29:00 <hspencer> dfederlein, when you do the design doc
08:29:00 <gregdek> lwade: not actively chasing that yet.
08:29:00 <hspencer> i would like to work with you on that
08:29:00 <hspencer> i have an idea
08:29:00 <lwade> awesome
08:29:00 <lwade> lets put hspencer in that
08:30:00 <dfederlein> hspencer: very cool
08:30:00 <gregdek> But hspencer, it would probably be a good idea if we can get wiki.eucalyptus.com set aside.
08:30:00 <lwade> #action hspencer to help with design
08:30:00 <hspencer> gregdek, ?
08:30:00 <hspencer> what you mean?
08:30:00 <hspencer> gregdek, i thought i was a hired hitman
08:30:00 <hspencer> :-D
08:30:00 <hspencer> take projects OUT!
08:30:00 <lwade> We already have it but if we can take it off the old wiki
08:30:00 <hspencer> lwade, what you mean?
08:30:00 <dfederlein> we have data on the old wiki we need, as long as we have an IP I can get to we're good
08:31:00 <hspencer> ah i see
08:31:00 <dfederlein> until we migrate off
08:31:00 <lwade> We looked at this a while back
08:31:00 <hspencer> where is the current media wiki being held?
08:31:00 <hspencer> or ran
08:31:00 <lwade> the old wiki has a few items but mainly they will be ditched
08:31:00 <lwade> useful ones going into KB
08:31:00 <dfederlein> ok
08:31:00 <lwade> a couple we might want to move
08:31:00 <lwade> but tbh they all need rework anyhow
08:31:00 <hspencer> so would it hurt to deploy a new one?
08:32:00 <hspencer> and migrate data?
08:32:00 <lwade> #info existing articles won't be migrated but rather created anew
08:32:00 <hspencer> or just keep the old one and just scale it out
08:32:00 <hspencer> ?
08:32:00 <lwade> I don't think there is anything to migrate
08:32:00 <lwade> We're looking at a completely different wiki?
08:32:00 <gregdek> wait, what?
08:33:00 * lwade is confused
08:33:00 <gregdek> To be clear: my thought is "set up MW, move most of what's on projects to MW".
08:33:00 <lwade> hspencer, by Wiki do you mean projects or the old wiki ?
08:33:00 <hspencer> yea
08:33:00 <gregdek> That's true, we do have an old wiki on open.
08:33:00 <hspencer> i am confused
08:33:00 <gregdek> I don't even think about that one.
08:34:00 <hspencer> maybe i am the one thats off
08:34:00 <lwade> me neither
08:34:00 <lwade> it's good as gone tbh
08:34:00 <lwade> :P
08:34:00 <dfederlein> 86 it
08:34:00 <hspencer> k, so  maybe i need to understand what we want to do
08:34:00 <dfederlein> we want to install irc, hspencer
08:34:00 <hspencer> LOL!!
08:34:00 <lwade> hspencer; build an uber-awesome MediaWiki platform for community
08:34:00 <hspencer> k
08:35:00 <dfederlein> with bacon
08:35:00 <hspencer> well, i think thats easy
08:35:00 <hspencer> and
08:35:00 <hspencer> i may have a design plan that will promote AWS and Euca even more
08:35:00 <hspencer> :-)
08:35:00 <hspencer> but thats separate
08:35:00 <hspencer> do we have the tasks mapped out as to what we need to do to migrate data from wiki "X" to wiki "Y"
08:35:00 <hspencer> ?
08:36:00 <lwade> nope
08:36:00 <hspencer> and what is wiki "X"? wiki "Y"?
08:36:00 <lwade> Ok
08:36:00 <lwade> so Wiki X is not really a wiki, per se
08:36:00 <lwade> but redmine
08:36:00 <hspencer> k
08:36:00 <lwade> and Wiki Y is the MediaWiki instance we want to put into production
08:36:00 <hspencer> forgive me if this info has already been covered
08:36:00 <hspencer> k
08:37:00 <hspencer> alright
08:37:00 <lwade> nope, s'ok
08:37:00 <lwade> this is exactly what we want to map out
08:37:00 <lwade> so far, we have a platform design we should work on
08:37:00 <hspencer> k
08:37:00 <lwade> to actually get MediaWiki built and designed for scale
08:37:00 <hspencer> i don't think that will be an issue
08:37:00 <lwade> not too much emphasis on that last bit
08:37:00 <lwade> same
08:37:00 <lwade> we already have http://173.205.188.71/wiki/index.php/Main_Page for testing too
08:38:00 <lwade> we jue need to think about underlying DB, any HA etc.
08:38:00 <hspencer> :-D
08:38:00 <hspencer> thats where my plan comes in
08:38:00 <lwade> ;)
08:38:00 <hspencer> so
08:38:00 <hspencer> dfederlein, should i draw something up
08:38:00 <hspencer> and send it to you?
08:38:00 <hspencer> well, i can send it to the group
08:39:00 <dfederlein> yes please
08:40:00 <lwade> yes plz
08:40:00 <dfederlein> can has?
08:40:00 <lwade> use google sketchup
08:40:00 <lwade> we can watch you drawing it :P
08:40:00 <lwade> or something
08:41:00 <dfederlein> is sketchup still actively defveloped?
08:41:00 <gregdek> Napkin + scanner.
08:41:00 <dfederlein> I thought that was going away with orkut and a bunch of other services
08:42:00 <hspencer> yea
08:42:00 <hspencer> i can do that
08:42:00 <hspencer> i hope you guys like it
08:42:00 <hspencer> so pretty much
08:42:00 <lwade> no idea dfederlein
08:42:00 <hspencer> we will use AWS
08:42:00 <hspencer> for the web page and use ElastiCache
08:42:00 <lwade> THAT'S A CRAZY IDEA!?
08:43:00 <hspencer> ElastiCache will pull information from a database setup we have running at CoreSite
08:43:00 <hspencer> i think this is what folks would like to see for use case scenarios
08:43:00 <gregdek> Love it!
08:44:00 <lwade> who's gonna pay for the AWS-time ? :D
08:44:00 * scotm lurking and loving what he's reading.
08:44:00 <hspencer> lwade, we got an account
08:44:00 <dfederlein> lwade: you are, right?
08:44:00 <lwade> heh
08:44:00 <dfederlein> ;)
08:44:00 <hspencer> we have an account for IT
08:45:00 <lwade> don't WikiPedia use ElastiCache ?
08:45:00 <gregdek> T-15 mins until we need the room.
08:45:00 <lwade> ok, ty
08:46:00 * lwade has really no background in ElastiCache
08:46:00 <gregdek> One thing I feel obliged to point out:
08:46:00 <gregdek> Once we make a firm decision, I would like to move quickly.
08:47:00 <lwade> Using AWS will help this
08:47:00 <gregdek> OK.
08:47:00 <lwade> they have some good pre-built AMI's for MediaWiki instances too
08:47:00 <lwade> so this could be quite nice
08:47:00 <lwade> If we go this route, we need your time hspencer
08:48:00 <hspencer> lwade, my time is expensive
08:48:00 <hspencer> i am not a cheap date
08:49:00 <lwade> not what obino told me
08:49:00 <hspencer> you just can't pimp me out
08:49:00 <hspencer> LOL!!
08:49:00 <gregdek> hspencer: I've got a bottle of Courvoisier with your name on it.
08:49:00 <hspencer> that works
08:49:00 <lwade> settled, easy.
08:49:00 <gregdek> THE POWER OF COMMUNITY.
08:49:00 <gregdek> (mostly fueled by booze.)
08:49:00 <lwade> hspencer, you've been working on some ElastiCache implementation for Eucalyptus haven't you?
08:49:00 <gregdek> My job description: turning alcohol into code.
08:50:00 <shaon> :P
08:50:00 <lwade> Ok
08:50:00 <gregdek> OK, we have 10m left.  Who's got what ball, and when do we bring it back together?
08:50:00 <lwade> So I think we have a phase1 here
08:50:00 <lwade> which is design
08:51:00 <lwade> It sounds like lwade, hspencer and dfederlein are going to work on a design here
08:51:00 <lwade> using hspencer's ElastiCache plan
08:51:00 <dfederlein> yep
08:51:00 <lwade> #info use Amazon ElastiCache in our MediaWiki platform design
08:52:00 <lwade> ok
08:52:00 <lwade> Are we willing to put a date on this first cut of design ?
08:52:00 <lwade> How about 13th April ?
08:52:00 <hspencer> i am a whore for Courvoisier
08:53:00 <hspencer> i will probably have a draft done by tomorrow
08:53:00 <hspencer> but yea
08:53:00 <hspencer> 13th sounds good
08:53:00 <lwade> oh sweet
08:53:00 <lwade> ok 13th for something, platform wise, that we can implement on
08:53:00 <lwade> to me, this wouldn't necessarily be the details of MediaWiki
08:53:00 <lwade> but rather the infrastructure for it
08:54:00 <lwade> Ok
08:54:00 <lwade> lets  work off what you're thinking hspencer
08:54:00 <lwade> and we can go from there, I think we need to see your master plan first
08:54:00 <lwade> then we can start designing the components (e.g. the DB backend etc.)
08:54:00 <hspencer> k guys, i gotta go here in a min
08:54:00 <lwade> Does this sound ok to peeps?
08:55:00 <hspencer> got an engineering meeting
08:55:00 <hspencer> but yea
08:55:00 <gregdek> I like it.
08:55:00 <hspencer> sounds good to me
08:55:00 <lwade> Ok, lets run with it and see where it goes ;)
08:55:00 <lwade> #action hspencer, dfederlein and lwade to work on design documentation for April 13th
08:55:00 <lwade> It would be good to have something up by end of June
08:55:00 <lwade> latest
08:56:00 <lwade> Ok, thanks guys
08:56:00 <lwade> #endmeeting